Should Grace Poe Llamanzares now call on Susan Roces?

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At the 54th anniversary celebration of the Philippine Constitution Association last week, I found myself the “impromptu” guest speaker. There were no prior arrangements. That morning, I joined Philconsa chairman Manuel “Lolong” Lazaro and former Budget Secretary Ben Diokno file a petition before the Supreme Court questioning the constitutionality of President B. S. Aquino 3rd’s P424.14 billion lumpsum appropriations in the General Appropriations Act of 2015. Our co-petitioners—-Philconsa president and Leyte Rep. Martin Romualdez, Archbishop Ramon Arguelles of Lipa, Archbishop Romulo de la Cruz of Zamboanga, Archbishop Emeritus Fernando Capalla of Davao, and former national security adviser Norberto Gonzales—-could not make it, so we had to be there at all cost.

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In the evening, there was the anniversary dinner. It took me more than two hours to get to Manila Hotel from Ortigas Center. Chairman Lazaro and Congressman Romualdez had already spoken, and a musical ensemble was trying to help the guests hurdle dinner. Former First Lady and now Ilocos Norte Rep. Imelda Marcos thought a much softer chamber music would have allowed freer conversation around the tables, and the ever-beautiful Gemma Cruz Araneta was beginning to feel she had walked into a jam session. Former AFP Chief of Staff General Hermogenes Esperon Jr. and Justice Lazaro thought we could excuse the ensemble if we had a guest speaker. So they pointed at me, and asked BizNews Asia publisher Tony Lopez to do the introduction. Tony rose promptly to the podium, and I found myself responding without any inhibition.

I spoke of the Constitution. I said the Constitution was much older than the Philconsa’s 54 years, but that it faced a 47-year-old problem. This fell flat on the audience. I had to elucidate by saying that Sen. Grace Poe Llamanzares was 47 years old and she had become our most formidable constitutional problem. She wants to run for President, despite the fact that, not being a natural-born Filipino, nor even a naturalized Filipino (she has yet to apply for this) she is not eligible for the office. In fact, she is facing possible disqualification from the Senate on the same ground.

This statement found its mark with the audience. All I had to do then was to recap what I had been saying in this space, nearly ad nauseum, about her not being natural-born, and therefore not eligible under the Constitution to remain in the Senate or to run for president, as she threatens to do.

I thought the topic would instantly take the seniors to dreamland. But nobody dozed off, and to my pleasant surprise, so many thanked me after my speech for clarifying things for them. “Now, I can say she is not natural-born, and cannot run for president, or stay as senator,” said a young matron. “She was born stateless because her parents were unknown,” she continued, quoting what I had said earlier; “now she’s stateless again, because she already lost her American citizenship, but was not yet legally a Filipino citizen.”

But comes the most distressing report now. Apparently expecting to be unseated as senator by the Senate Electoral Tribunal, and barred from running for president, the beleaguered political neophyte has reportedly asked her inner circle to prepare to mount street protests once the SET rules against her. Sources said that with the help of the head of a powerful conglomerate who reportedly supplies most of her logistical requirements, Mrs. Llamanzares has begun sounding out a powerful politico-religious group for possible street support.

Sources said some members of the group appeared to be personally sympathetic, but thought her cause was neither lawful nor righteous, and therefore could not commit to march for her. They reportedly doubted that the rabble, rather than the court, should decide the constitutional issue about her citizenship.

Still, in an apparent effort to substitute the passion of the mob for the ruling of the SET or the court, former Chief Justice Artemio Panganiban was reported by the Philippine Daily Inquirer to have proposed that the people decide whether or not Grace Poe Llamanzares could remain in the Senate or run for president.

Well, the people have long spoken. As the real authors of the Constitution, they have decided that no person may be elected president or vice president or senator or congressman unless he is, first of all, a natural-born citizen of the Philippines, which means a Filipino from birth without having to perform any act to acquire or perfect his citizenship.

For this reason, before anyone could be a candidate of any political party or group of business tycoons or speculators for any high office, he should first of all be a candidate of the Constitution.

This means he should first of all be a natural-born citizen of the Philippines, not one of no known nationality upon birth, but who has manufactured his own political existence by means of false statements under oath and fraudulent documents.

Where exactly is Panganiban coming from? What kind of law or political science did he learn in school? Where was he when the law professor was talking about Chief Justice John Marshall’s famous declaration in Marbury v. Madison that the duty of the Supreme Court is to say what the law is? Therefore, it is the Court, not the mob, that says what laws govern the electoral process.

Is Panganiban’s position not a complete perversion of the doctrines, principles and values that had given him the title he continues to wear even in retirement—-former Chief Justice? Is this really the former Chief Justice speaking as himself and for himself, or is it Atty. Panganiban speaking for some valued client?

It is a settled doctrine, as SET petitioner Rizalito David through his counsel Manuelito Luna points out in his disqualification suit against Mrs. Llamanzares, referencing “The Law on Public Officers and Election Law” by H. S. De Leon and H. M. De Leon Jr, that “the qualifications which relate to a public office must be complied with by persons seeking that office. To hold a public office, one must be eligible and possess the qualifications and by law. An election or appointment to office of a person who is ineligible or unqualified gives him no right to the office.”

His use of the Frivaldo case to help the respondent is unfortunate, because the two cases are not on all fours. Frivaldo was a natural-born Filipino who became an American citizen, and continued to get elected as governor of Sorsogon by voters who did not know he had become a naturalized foreigner. He was therefore disqualified, but eventually allowed to hold office after he renounced his American citizenship and became a Filipino all over again.

In her case, Mrs. Llamanzares had no nationality to speak of. He became an American citizen then lost it; but her purported reacquisition of citizenship was based on a misrepresentation, and was therefore invalid. She could become a naturalized citizen, true, but that is subject to a legal process, and will not qualify her to become a senator, congressman, president or vice president.

How would “the people” now decide the questions of law and the facts in this case? What higher standard of truth or quality of justice would the rabble bring into the process, which cannot be reached through the SET or the court? What unique understanding of Section 2, Article VII of the Constitution, (which says “no person may be elected President unless he is a natural-born citizen of the Philippines,”) or of Sec. 2 of Article IV, ( which says, “Natural-born citizens are those citizens who are citizens from birth without having to perform any act to acquire or perfect their Philippine citizenship,”) does the mob have, which is far beyond the court’s or our own understanding of it?

Can the mob decide that just because Mrs. Llamanzares is allegedly more popular than the other presidential wannabes she should be allowed to claim she is a natural-born Filipino, even though she is not; and that she was born to the spouses Ronald Allan Poe and Jesusa Sonora Poe on Sept. 3, 1968, even though she was born a foundling of no known parents and found at the premises of the parish church of Jaro, Iloilo City on that said date, four months before the Poe couple got married on Dec. 25, 1968, and had a childless marriage until the husband’s death in Dec. 2004?

This is truly unfortunate. The first oath that a President-elect takes upon assuming office is to preserve and defend the Constitution. Mrs. Llamanzares seems to believe that by defying and destroying the Constitution, she could become president. This is a fight she cannot win; she would be well advised to call it “no contest” and recalculate. She could probably improve her hand by pulling out of the race, not in favor of Francis Escudero, but rather in favor of her surrogate mother, Susan Roces.

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  1. The birth status of a child should not affect his/her political rights. What is the relevance of being an abandoned child at birth to elective public service? What possible state interest can there be for disqualifying an abandoned child at birth from becoming a public officer? It was not the fault of the child that his parents had abandoned him/her. Why deprive the child of the fullness of his/her political rights for no fault of his own?

    To disqualify an abandoned child at birth from holding an important public office is to punish him/her for the indiscretion of his parents. There is neither justice nor rationality in that.

    The issue should focus on whether if Senator Poe reclaimed her natural-born status after repatriation and if she has satisfied the residency requirements. It would certainly be unconscionable if one could just revoke his/her Filipino citizenship and reclaim it again if a good opportunity arises. That would just become a citizenship for convenience.

    • She is not being disqualified right away, that’s why there is a SET hearing. All she needs to do is prove that she is a natural born citizen of the Philippines, eg. say one early morning you found a child by you front door, and you decided to adopt the baby. Now, is the baby a natural born Billiones or a naturalized Billiones? This is the case of Grace Poe.

    • go and run for congressman to be able to take part in amending the constitution to suit your premise of eligibility to hold governmental office mr billiones . . . . . . by the way are you somewhat somewhere related to senator antonio trilliones . . . just kidding

    • The constitutional provision as to the requirements that a presidential candidate must meet is very clear. Only those of natural born citizen are eligible to run. Natural born, not naturalized. The same thing is provided for in the laws that apply to foundlings found in the Philippines that are deemed naturalized citizen NOT natural citizen. Now, the constitution is the supreme law of the land – the basis of all things legal and what makes the republic a nation of laws not of men. If we can’t abide by the constitution then we are ought to be called a banana republic where the will of the majority always prevails. Though not perfect, the constitution is what makes us exist in a cohesive civilized society governed by laws. the rights of the minority and individuals are guaranteed against the tyrannical will of the majority. If we are to accommodate Grace Poe’s candidacy then that calls for the abolition of that particular constitutional provision relating to the requirements that presidential candidates must meet. Simple as that. Change the constitution and amend section 2 article 7 of the Philippine constitution. This is a matter of law not of right or moral. The Supreme court should uphold the constitution when rendering its ruling on the matter of Grace Poe’s eligibility to run for president.

  2. eltee mulawin on

    >>> Si Grace Militar Poe …..PINANGANAK SA PILIPINAS, say OK na yan !!!!

    >>> Si Grace Militar Poe naging si Grace Poe Lamanzares nawala ang Militar na apelyido ginamit dahil………..siya ay nagpunta, nagtungo, nag-aral, nag-asawa at naging US Naturalized Citizenship, say Ok na yan !!!! at take note…sa USA hindi allowed ang dual citizenship, kaya binasura at binaliwala ang kategorya niya Filipino Citizenship at PINILI ang US Citizenship.

    >>> Si Grace Poe Llamanzares -US Naturalized Citizen…… pabalik-balik sa Pilipinas. Binigyan ni Abnoy BSC-Aquino3rd ng trabaho sa MTBRC as Chairman, kumandidato, binasura at BINALEWALA ANG US Naturalized Citizenship and muli nagbalik deklara bilang isang Filipino at naging Senador 2013.

    >>> Si Grace Poe(?) Llamanzares…. nais kumandidato sa 2016 bilang Pangulo !!!!

    >>> Si Grace Poe(?) Llamanzares…,. nasabi, sinabi at sinasabi niya na ” ANG CONSTITUTION NG PILIPINAS AY DAPAT AT TAMA LAMANG NA IGALANG AT SUNDIN NG SINUMAN !!!!

    >>> Si Grace Poe(?) Llamanzares…….naging Filipino, Tinakwil ang pagka-Pilipino upang maging Amerikano tapos tinakwil naman din ang pagka-Amerikano upang MULI MAGING PILIPINO !!!!

    >>> Para kay Grace ……. SIMULAN MUNA NA GAMITIN PALAGI ANG APELYIDO NG IYONG ASAWA “LLAMANZARES SA ANUMAN BAGAY NA IYONG GINAGALAWAN AT NAIS GAWIN SA IYONG BUHAY. HUWAG MO NANG IKABIT LAGI “POE” SA IYONG PANGALAN. DAHIL NAGING POPULAR LANG SI FERNANDO POE JR SA PELIKULA AT WALA NG IBA PA.

    KUNG PANANATILIHIN IKABIT SA PANGLAN ni Ms Grace ang “POE”…… wowwwwwwwww !!!!!!!!!!! ISA SIYA SA MGA TUNAY NA ” HIPOKRITA” AT “INGRATA”, KATULAD NI abnoy BSC-3RD, F.Abad, L. De-Limaw, ThrillANES, Curruptano at abnoy-infected Mar Roxas.

  3. Our present political system is very chaotic!!! We need complete overhaul!!! Time to change !!! COMELEC should have screened very well the qualifications of all candidates for office !!! That should have lessened our predicaments/problems !!! Amend the constitution all-together !!! Suggest we call for a constitutional convention right away or as soon as possible!!! God save the Philippines !!!

  4. Grace P-O-E.L. is now known as the foundling who changed citizenship 2X. A known treacherous woman is sure loser in election for patriotic leader. No problem if Grace wants to run for president, she’s a loser anyway. The problem is her Senate seat. It is despicable sight to see an ex-USA citizen with husband and children of USA citizenship ruling over Filipinos. Kick out Grace Poe from Senate. She is an insult to this nation. Let Grace mount “Peoples power”, she can only assemble few “paid power” which will fizzle out instantly for being laugh upon as clowns.

    • laguatanlawzen.com on

      I am with you 100% Babyboo, but the trouble with Filipinos especially the members of the YELLOW MOB under the joint leadership of ABNOY and ROXAS, is that, they don’t know the dichotomy between facts, fiction and myth. We are a nation of mindless electorates, grossly stupid

    • laguatanlawzen.com on

      I am with you 100% Babyboo, but the trouble with Filipinos especially the members of the YELLOW MOB under the joint leadership of ABNOY and ROXAS, is that, they don’t know the dichotomy between facts, fiction and myth. We are a nation of mindless electorates, grossly stupid, The tenor and substance of my comments is entirely different from my first comments.

  5. What upsets me is the answer to a very simple question. You say she isnt a natural born Filipino, i ask this, what country was she born in. I will try to answer that as best as i can & if i am wrong please tell me. Wasnt she found somewhere in the Philippines & she still had her umbilical cord attached. I think that means she hadnt been born much before being found. So to me an uneducated Englishman tells me if she hadnt just got off a plane & had been born on that plane then surely she was born in the Philippines.
    If that is correct then she surely is a natural boirn Filipino.
    Sort that out then move on to the next thing that bars her form running for president. Or whatever

    • In layman’s term thinking you have a point there perhaps, but I would say it’s only SET could determine whether Mrs Llamanzares is a natural-born Filipino or not and only the SET could explain why. So that there will be no confusion on the said matter, it would be better for us to wait for SET’s decision.

    • laguatanlawzen.com on

      Dustin, under International Law, if the plane is airborne and a child is born or a crime is committed, and the plane is cruising in international space, the country where the plane is nearest takes precedents. Example 1: If the crime is committed while the plane is cruising the international airspace (neutral area), but the plane is proximate to Russia but far from China, Russia will have legal jurisdiction, the same principle applies to a child born in a plane where the mother is unknown.. This is merely my reply toyour hypothetical question. not duplicate this is different.

    • It is like this : equate yourself as the Philippines. You found a baby by your front door. Since nobody is owning it, you decided to adopt it and give your name. Now, is the baby your natural born or a naturalized born to you? Same thing is with GPL. Since nobody knows her parents, and to avoid being stateless, she became a naturalized Filipina. Did I add to your confusion? hope not.

  6. Federico Lojo on

    Looks like grace poe has no respect for the Constitution and the Filipino People at all. She has been falsely led by her own selfish interest and nothing more. Truly op-poe-rtunistic.

  7. Voters should be wiser this time around. Tama na sa mga trapong kandidato dahil anim na taon nanaman tayong maghihirap. Grace Poe na!

  8. During the filing of the Certificate of Candidacy it is the duty of the COMELEC to ensure that candidates comply all the requirement as provided for in the constitution.
    By this step, Grace Llmanzares should be able to prove that she is indeed qualified for the President position. Otherwise the COMELEC denies her COC and thus step out of the contest. Any argument by her camp would be brought up at COMELEC only.

  9. Any lawyer worth his salt knows that poe is not a natural born citizen. She should stop dreaming of being the president and resign from the senate ,NOW!

  10. This is the problem now with Filipino people. they are above the law, because of this idiot and stupid president , kung ano ang masabi kahit labag sa batas ok sa kanya. Sasabihin pa nila na let the people decide. Ano pa ang batas ng Pilipinas kung hindi ito masusunod.. We are moving backward not forward. THE RULE OF LAW MUST BE OBSERVED AND follow. SA U.S. at sa EU country LAW IS A LAW..that should follow.. HIndi ang mga tao ang masusunod kahit labag sa batas… I am sorry but ito ang naging kalakaran ng administrasyong ito, na walang isip ang mga namumuno.
    IDIOT AND STUPID..

  11. If Grace P. Llamanzares, her oligarch supporters and yes, BS Aquino III, do not adhere to and respect the 1985 Philippine Constitution, then Cory and her handpicked framers of that legal framework are themselves not worthy for the respect from these bunch of arrogant individuals. As is the case, several times Aquino violated the Cory constitution through his DAP and PDAF misadventures.

  12. Seriously, I think Susan Roces will make a formidable candidate because of the FPJ connection, which in turn is due to the Erap connection. The FPJ phenomenon was a protest vote against what the yellows did to Erap, and while I think this connection or sympathy is transferable to Susan as the wife, for some reason I cannot yet explain it is not transferrable to Grace. Her popularity is a manufactured one, courtesy of the fraudulent surveys and the Smartmatic cheating machine. is it possible that the people can see through the fraud, as it is clear as daylight that the hand in control of puppet Grace is colored YELLOW? Just how bad does a Susan Roces candidacy look compared to yellows Binay, Mar or even Boy Sayad as presidential candidates? With Erap campaigning by her side, Susan can give any candidate a run for their money. I believe that up to now, the real political divide is still Cory/Ninoy vs Marcos/Erap, yellows vs the contra-yellows. A Susan Roces candidacy will clarify that divide so sharply it will make the distillation of that most basic question more possible, that is, how well have the Yellows stood by the people for the last 30 years?

  13. The greater good is the right to the office which is granted by the Constitution and the lesser good is to be elected to that office of the President. If you reject the greater good in favor of the lesser good, soon you will lost everything including the choice you had to be elected to the presidency. Mrs. Grace Poe Llamanzares, please have the humility to understand this and it is good for you and without cost from and by anyone.

  14. Rodan Guerrero on

    Her disqualification case is pending in SET and has another one in Comelec. Let us see what the Comelec will do it it accepts or not her COC.

  15. This is not a popularity contest or
    choosing a candidate by people’s
    Sympathy and Emotion. It is about
    the Law. Respect the law and the
    Constitution.

  16. Mar Padilla, Jr. on

    Comelec should not accept her as a candidate for President, she is not a natural born citizen of the Philippines. Period. Comelec could be sued for ignorance of the law.

    • this problem called grace llamanzares was created by the comelec, sixto and his gang. btw sixto was fpj’s lawyer in 2004. the comelec did not vet llamanzares properly. was it because sixto just approved her certificate of candidacy without checking the facts due to his closeness to the late fpj?? it is really sixto who was at fault here. he was also the main proponent and spokesperson of smartmatic, remember??

  17. Sir,
    The elementary rule is Ignorance of the Law excuses no one.
    Nobody even the idiots or those who lack of education can just simply trampling in our Constitution in pursue of there whimsical and capricious ambition.

    Vox Populi Vox Dei?

    Ngek ngek nila.

    • laguatanlawzen.com on

      Yes, genesibughaw, the legal doctrine clearly states: “Ignorantia legis nemenem excusat” (ignorance of the law excuses no one) but “Ignorantia facti excustat” (ignorfance of fact is inexcusable). This doctrine squarely applies to Grace Llamanzares.

  18. Kung sakali, pagkatapos ng mapanising mapaghiganting si NOYTARD ay susunod ding ang isa ring mapaghiganting dayuhang si Grace llamansares ang magiong lider ng bayan.Ang nakakapagtakaka ay kung bakit ano kaya ang galit ng nasa itaas at pinababayaan niyang maghari ang tulad ng dalawang gagong ito na maging lider ng bayan natin.Huwqag naman sanang mangyari na maging pangulo ang dayuhang si llamasares.Alam natin na pati ang buong pamilya nito ay mga dayuhan din.

  19. Millions of Filipinos have immigrated to the U.S. and have become naturalized U.S. citizens, most of them never once believing that they were “renouncing” the land of their birth in doing so. Until the Philippines passed the Dual Citizenship law in 2003, Filipinos who became U.S. citizens automatically forfeited their Philippine citizenship. But the U.S. has never required that one had to “renounce” his/her former citizenship in order to acquire U.S. citizenship (more than 100 countries recognize dual citizenship). Arnold Schwarzenegger retained his Austrian citizenship even while he served as governor of California.

    • What is the point of your comment? Are you talking about the US or the Philippines? No one is above the law and the rule of law must prevail, not the mob. This is not an issue of discrimination against foundling nor against dual citizenship. And certainly, many Filipinos wouldn’t want the next election to be reduced to a popularity contest.

  20. Spread the word folks: LLMANZARES IS DISQUALIFIED AND UNQUALIFIED. It does not get any clearer than how Mr. Tatad has laid it out in his column today. Llamanzares is a fraud. DOWN WITH LLAMANZARES!

  21. Jose A. Oliveros on

    Following former CJ Panganiban’s argument of letting the people decide, then all that an unqualified candidate who has plenty of money has to do is ensure that he is voted overwhelmingly, never mind if he does not possess all or one of the qualifications for the office to which he has been elected. In that case a candidate’s qualification or lack of it will, in the words of the late Justice JBL Reyes, be dependent on the “vagaries of election results.”

    But the most telling refutation of the “let the people decide” argument – or more precisely – mentality, which Panganiban and similarly-minded persons would like to foist upon the Filipino people – are the following words of Justice Dante Tinga in his dissenting opinion in the 2004 FPJ citizenship case:

    ” ‘Let the people decide’, ” respondent (that is FPJ) insists. “That is also the battlecry of those among us who opt to take the path of least resistance – to let the sovereign will chart the course of the Philippine political landscape. That argument is also a malaise, whether caused by academic sloth, intellectual cowardice or judicial amnesia, which has unfortunately plagued this Court. (in a footnote, Justice Tinga gave as an example the case of Frivaldo v. Comelec, 257 SCRA 727, the same case cited by Panganiban). It is an easy cop-out that overlooks the fact that the Constitution is itself an expression of the sovereign will. The Filipino people, by ratifying the Constitution,elected to be bound by it, to be ruled by a fundamental law and not by a hooting throng,” Tinga concluded.

    And to those who shout “vox populi, vox Dei”, the following pronouncement of then Associate Justice Angelina Sandoval-Gutierrez in her concurring opinion in Lambino v. Comelec is highly instructive:

    Vox populi vox Dei — the
    voice of the people is the voice of God. Caution should be exercised in choosing one’s battle-cry, lest it
    does more harm than good to one’s cause. In its original context, the complete
    version of this Latin phrase means exactly the opposite of what it is
    frequently taken to mean. It originated from a holy man, the monk Alcuin, who
    advised Charlemagne, “nec
    audiendi qui solent dicere vox populi vox Dei quum tumultuositas vulgi semper insaniae proxima sit,” meaning, “And those people should not be listened to who
    keep on saying, `The voice of the people is the voice of God,’ since the
    riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness.”

    Lastly, the Frivaldo case is not in point because Frivaldo ran for Governor of Sorsogon – a local elective office and under the Local Government Code, the only citizenship qualification for those running for local elective office is he/she must be a “citizen of the Philippines” unlike the citizenship qualification for President, Vice President, Senator and Congressman under the Philippine Constitution which is “natural-born citizen of the Philippines.”

  22. Grace in her short two years as senator have shown that she is
    capable and intelligent. She can handle herself well in difficult
    situations.
    A simple person who lives her life helping and fighting for the welfare of filipino people.
    she is not blinded by selfishness and just like her father, she is loved by people.
    Great leaders attract followers and so it’s not a shock that she is the
    number one voted senator last 2013. if she runs for presidency next
    year, i hope people will realize they should vote her because we need a
    leader who thinks about everyone else. not someone who uses evil acts to
    desperately gain votes.

  23. Pnoy, Belmonte, Abad, Magdalo, NP,Makabayan, NPC, etc are all honest enough to see the many inherent qualities ofGrace Poe na bihira makita sa isang leader. If Poe will become the president,her charismatic but strong-willed personality will make many people and sectorswilling followers of her anti-trapo and pro-people governance. Kabilang nariyan sina Binay at Roxas. She will become a very effective leader to initiate many positive changes in governance. No wonder that many people see these qualities too. Thus the likes of Carpio, Roxas and the LP are consistently trying to pull her down.

    • She has all the qualities of a good leader, so we can ignore the Constitution for once, is that what you are saying?

    • apolonio reyes on

      Sen, Joker Arroyo said that ” Pnoy runs the government like a High School Student Council ” and if will have Grace Poe Llamanzares as next president she will run our country ” Like a Kinder Class ” and only wants to hear ” Yes Mom from us like her US pupils”., Di ba Bayan?

    • Evelyn galano on

      What leadership are you talking about?did you watch how she hancle the mamasapano case?anong nangyari doon?strong willed haha

  24. Leodegardo Pruna on

    Wow! Susan? What a big tragedy and theatrical movie that would be? Even to joke about it is a bad joke. The echo of her saying that she was not only cheated once but twice still reverberates. Sec. Tatad’s motion is objected to. God bless the Philippines.

  25. What has become to Filipino people, are becoming brats. Temper tantrum if they can`t get what they want. If some people want to force Lamanzares into our throat let me warn you. Don`t dare to devide the nation.

  26. Grace Llamanzarez for heaven’s sake should now make a graceful exit for her own sanity. She is a ticking bomb herself and could explode anytime even before she touch the ground for a presidential race.

  27. Alfredo H Moe on

    The truth really Hurts, but the truth is the truth. That is the main reason why the Philippines move backwards instead of forward in the world today.

    • But Llamanzares CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTH! Sa kabobohan niya, akala niya puro mga bobo (tulad ni escudero) ang lahat nang mga Pilipino. Ay naku po(e)!

  28. Mariano Patalinjug on

    Yonkers, New York
    06 October 2015

    It is the law, that particular provision of the Constitution which clearly states who are qualified for the office of Senator, President and Vice President, that is legally binding.

    The people using their power of the ballot cannot over-ride or render null and void this constitutional provision–otherwise there will be anarchy.

    MARIANO PATALINJUG
    patalinjugmar@gmail.com

  29. 1935 Constitution Governs Grace Poe Issue on Natural-born Citizenship
    Which Solely Adheres to Blood Relationship or Jus Sanguines!
    I strongly disagree with Saguisag and Panganiban that Grace Poe having been FOUND in the Philippines as a foundling (without known parents) is a “natural-born” Filipino under the International law doctrine on Foundlings that the a foundling child has the citizenship of the country where the child is found. The doctrine only gives the foundling a “citizenship status” of the country where child was found BUT does not clothed it with a “nAtural born” status as same is construed under the 1935 Constitution which declares that a child is a “natural-born Filipino citizen” when the child’s father is a Filipino citizen a does not have to perform acts to become citizen or mother is a Filipino citizen and at age of majority (18 years old) elect Filipini citizenship. The International law on foundling is a general doctrine that must yield to the basic law of the country on citizenship, like above described. Thus, the Constitution must be followed in interpreting the citizenship status of a child, which in this case the father or mother must be known and possessed the Filipino citizenship to be derivative of the child. To harmonize the International law doctrine on Foundlings with country’s Constitution where foundling was found, it is only the “citizenship” status that is afforded to foundling to prevent. “Statelessness” but not the “natural -born status given when the child parents are known and clothed with known Filipino citizenship. It is only the “fiction” of International law doctrine on Foundlings that a foundling is deemed a “citizen” BUT NOT a natural born of place where found to precisely to avoid discrimination on child’s personal civil and political status. This is because Poe CANNOT follow the citizenship of the child parents as they are unknown BUT follows only the “citizenship of place” where found.
    I however disagree with Justice Carpio that Poe was a “naturalized” Filipino pursuant to the same International law on foundling. My take is Poe is a Filipino “citizen” only but not a Natural-born since “Naturalization” stretches to far the presumption afforded by International law. Further, it is an administrative quasi-judicial process requiring a proceeding of presentation of extraneous evidence of citizenship qualifications and none of the disqualification. It also presupposes existence of different national citizenship of Petitioner who wish to adopt and change his/her citizenship to Filipino. On the other hand, the grant of citizenship to a “foundling” has the strong presumption that the place where found is the child place of birth affording the child political nationality!
    Note my above position in disagreement with Saguisag and Panganiban is because of the factual factor that Grace Poe born/found in 1968 is governed under the 1935 Constitition on citizenship AND NOT under the 1987 Onstitution. The distinction lies in that the 1935 Constitution only adhered to the doctrine of “Jus Sanguines or Blood Relationship”; while the 1987 Constitution subscribed BOTH to “Jus Sanguines AND JUS SOLI ( place of birth). Thus after 1987 Constitution, foundling follows the citizenship of PLACE OF BIRTH (place or country where found) an, hence, foundling becomes a “natural-born”. Filipino citizen since this new Constitution does not restrict derivative citizenship from parental citizenship but follows also citizenship of place where child was found! Hence my take would be the same as Saguisag and Panganiban after the 1987 Constitution was adopted and approved by the Constitutional body and the people.
    The 1935 Consitution was not abrogated or repealed by the 1987 Constitution but it remains effective and valid in a suppletory manner for facts and circumstances that occurred until the enactment of the 1987 Consitution . The 1987 Constitution must be applied to acts and events prospectively but not retroactively as it does not undo acts or events which occurred BEFORE its enactment!
    Thus, the 1935 Constitution governs the issue of natural-born citizenship of Grace Poe that requires that to be a natural born citizen one must be born with a Filipino father or mother that needs no specific act to perform to perfect one’s citizenship. This recognizes only the principle of “jus sanguines” or blood relationship with birth parents who are Filipinos. It does not adopt the principle of “jus soli” or place of birth that gives citizenship to children born in the country, as adopted by the 1987 Constitution. Therefore, the International law on foundling is not applicable to children born under the 1935 Constitution to be considered natural-born, but only afford citizenship, not as natural born for lack parental proof of Filipino ctizenzhip , since parents are unknown.

    • Leodegardo Pruna on

      Ang saguisag ng panganib ay kinaaaniban ng di tamang pananaw na nakaamba sa bayang Pilipinas. Ang Konstitusyon ang dapat na umiral at hindi ang suma-SUMASAGUISAG at nakaambang PANGANIBan ang mananaig. Pagpalain tayo ng Panginoon.

    • Jose A. Oliveros on

      What provision in the 1987 Constitution states that the Philippines is adopting both the jus sanguinis and jus soli principles of citizenship?

    • If you agree that Grace is not a natural born Filipino but a Filipino, then how did she become a Filipino?
      The only other way is by naturalization.
      Naturalized from what citizenship?
      None, From being stateless (no citizenship) to Filipino.
      I have to agree with SCJ Carpio here.

    • @Jun Adan: The 1987 Constitution also follows the principle of “Jus Sanguinis” (blood relationship), that’s why it requires the father or mother to be a Filipino. The place of birth (Jus Soli) was never mentioned nor referred in the Constitution.

    • laguatanlawzen.com on

      I wonder how did Saguisag and Panganiban underswtood the ramification of the law? Both are trying to muddle the issue, they ared not gtrying to clarify the issue so that people would understand the legal issue affecting Mrs. Llamanzares citizenship. What intrigue me is that, why is Grace apparently does not like to use the family name of her husband (her husband and children are US citizens)? Why? Why?

  30. Andre Leonard on

    Sad when The Manila Times has to resort to criticizing Grace Poe a foundling in such a consistent manner. Grace Poe, has taken the country by storm and people admire her for many reasons. The fact that she was found and has overcome so many obstacles is one of them. Another would be her sense of fairness and humility. She is not one to criticize others. She just gets the job done.

    • Jose A. Oliveros on

      What is being criticized is not Grace Poe-Llamanzares’s being a foundling but what is being questioned is whether or not she is a natural-born Filipino citizen as the term is defined and understood in the Constitution.

  31. I’m dumbfounded to learn that many of the people in the upper political strata and arena don’t even know the Constitutional provisions until now regarding natural-born despite this highly controversial issue of Llamanza. You’d think they would at least discuss about it. What’s happening to the Philippines intellect? I can forgive the class E citizens who have a totally different psyche by virtue of their unfortunate state.

    That is wonderful that you had a chance to present the case during the event, so that more will be enlightened on this debacle that should have never started. What a shame that Llamanza will resort to that kind of gimmickry. I thought she made it clear recently that she will vacate her post immediately should the SET find her not qualified.

    She is the WOLF in a sheep’s clothing.

    • The country is suffering from a major BRAIN DRAIN. So many of these intellectuals have left the country in search of a greener pasture and I can’t blame them. As a result, these politicians left behind (with or without brains) are thriving, some because of their popularity, some because of name recognition or association. A sad state of our state, indeed.

  32. dapat kumilos o magdesisyon na ang set o sc .upang magkaroon ng pagkakataon ang iba ng ang partido na sumusuporta sa kanya ay maghanap ng iba.Pabor kay aquino kapagnadelay ang desisyon.ito ng plan b nila . BINAY vs. MAR!

  33. Plus the argument that she has in fact given her right to be a Filipino when she became a US citizen and most likely took the oath below.

    Of all the qualified people citizenship and qualifications wise, why should Filipinos vote for a former American citizen?

    “I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”

    • Apparently, Llamanzares does not even understand the words of the above oath she had sworn to. They were just mere words uttered to accomplish self gratification. She had the United States fooled. And on the same token, i hold her responsible to what she is trying to accomplish in my beloved Philippines. Pitty the Fool.

    • We pledge our allegiance during the naturalization process which simply says this ” I pledge my allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. ” Not sure where the rest of your statement came from. LOL

    • GI Kano,

      It is not the US Pledge of Allegiance that I pasted above, it is the Oath of Allegiance for naturalized US citizens. This is the oath that every new US citizen has to say.

  34. Gusto ng taga-suporta ni Grace, wag sundin ang Constitution, wag sundin ang batas, at madlang pipol na lang ang magpapasya kung gagawin siyang presidente. Katwiran nila, Vox populi. Boses ng mamamayan dapat masunod… Kung ganito pala na bale-wala na ang batas, mag-vox populi na lang tayo sa maraming bagay. For example, tanungin natin ang mga Filipino: Gusto ba nyo wag na magbayad ng taxes? Gusto ba nyo magtayo ng bahay sa hindi nyo lupa? Gusto ba nyo na atin na yung mga malls, factories, at negosyo ng mga Intsik? Maraming papayag dito.

  35. let’s put it this way. grace llamanzares was a prodigy of the liberal party. particularly, pnoy’s. if the latter wasn’t so stupid as to appoint grace as chairman of the movie board, then perhaps grace would have remained a u.s. citizen. is it really that hard for pnoy to find somebody else who is a 100 percent filipino to take the job? maybe it was for him but i don’t think it was. pnoy was just stupid, plain and simple. assuming pnoy knew of grace’s citizenship and cared not, that alone is pure stupidity on his part because it seem that he’s saying that he is far more powerful than the constitution. he violated the law of the land and keeps violating it. disrespectful at best. and in spite of her citizenship issues, pnoy and the liberal party kept courting her to be mar roxas’ running mate. again, knowing what they know about grace’s citizenship, it is, a blatant disrespect of the constitution. now we have a former chief justice, or should i say, atty. panganiban, who is doing the same thing. where are the morals of these people taking us? are we just going to fall prey because we care less? and then bitch in the end if we find out that what they do is not what we expect after they are elected in office? let the SET and eventually the Supreme Court take care of this while we can. we cannot afford to have somebody like grace llamansares run the country while the rest of her family are sheltered or protected by the united states by virtue of them being u.s. citizens. afterall, if shit hits the fan, will they stay in the philippines or run to the u.s.?

  36. NEXT disqualification, please! I guess, in the matter of Ms. Grace, it is all over but the shouting.

    Now, the next move would be for Mr. Rizalino to file a case after 16 October 2016 for disqualification against Messrs. Roxas and Binary both for premature campaigning – this is if we really want to uphold the law.

    • Jose A. Oliveros on

      There is no such thing anymore as “premature campaigning” as ruled by the Supreme Court in the 2009 case of Penera v. Comelec. Even current Comelec Chairman Bautista admits that, so what case for disqualification for “premature campaigning” are you talking about?

  37. Just hoping that more and more Filipinos should read the litany of evidences the writer and other legal luminaries have presented to show that Ms. Grace P. Llamanzares is not constitionally qualified for the highest position of the land. From hereon what she must do is get her acts together to regain back her nationality of choice ( as Filipino) legally through the courts, fulfill her residency and take an oath of allegiance back to the Philippines. If she so desires, she can still run as president in 2022 by which time she should have completed all the legalities and have honed her political ambitions. Problem with her is, she is very eagerly opportunistic to capture the patronage of the masses banking on the popularity of her father and the ignorance of the voters.

  38. To qualify Mrs. Llamanzares would be a ‘disaster’ for the Philippine Constitution. It would be a case of popularity and vested interests versus the highest law of the land. It will further erode the faith of those who adhere to the tenets and values embodied in the Constitution. We are talking of the Philippine Constitution which is the basic law of the land and the foundation of our democratic system of government. “Dura lex, sed lex”.

    May God bless the Philippines.