• US CITIZENSHIP HOUNDS GRACE POE

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    DUAL CITIZENSHIP Copies of Sen. Grace Poe’s US and Philippine passports.

    DUAL CITIZENSHIP Copies of Sen. Grace Poe’s US and Philippine passports.

    JUST like her late father, Sen. Grace Llamanzares Poe is being hounded by questions on her citizenship even if she is yet to categorically say that she will run for President next year.

    The Manila Times was able to confirm over the weekend that Poe holds US and Philippine
    passports.

    Poe’s US passport was issued by the Washington Passport Agency on December 2011. It also showed that Poe was born in the Philippines on September 3, 1968.

    Poe’s Philippine passport, on the other hand, shows Iloilo City as her place of birth. It was issued in Manila on May 16, 2014 and will expire on March 17, 2019.

    Republic Act (RA) 9225 or the Citizenship Retention and Reacquisition Law allows dual citizenship. Under this law, natural-born Filipinos who later become naturalized citizens of other countries are deemed not to have lost their Philippine citizenship
    Immigration records showed that Poe last used her US passport on December 27, 2009.|

    “Most likely she is a dual citizen because she has also departure and arrival records using her Philippine passport. But lately she has been using her Philippine passport in almost all her travels abroad,” a reliable source at the Immigration bureau told The Manila Times.

    The citizenship of Poe’s father, Fernando Poe Jr. (FPJ), was also questioned when he ran for President in 2004 against then-President and now Pampanga Rep. Gloria Macapagal- Arroyo.

    Some groups claimed that Poe was not a natural-born Filipino, being an illegitimate child of an American mother, while his father was allegedly a Spaniard.

    The Supreme Court ruled that the action-movie star FPJ was a natural-born citizen and thus qualified to run for an elective post.

    Grace Poe has admitted that she was adopted by her parents.

    But the circumstances on how she acquired her US citizenship remain unknown.

    But an election lawyer said Poe’s citizenship as a natural-born Filipino has already been established when she ran for a Senate seat in 2013.

    In an interview, Romulo Macalintal noted that Poe’s citizenship is not an issue and that the senator is qualified to run for the country’s highest political office.

    Under the law, those who want to run for President should be natural-born Filipino citizens, able to read and write, at least 40 years old and have resided in the Philippines for at least 10 years.

    Poe’s citizenship can be questioned because she was a “foundling” and there is no telling if her biological parents are Filipinos or not and how she acquired her US citizenship.

    According to Macalintal, the United Nations Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness can justify Poe’s Filipino citizenship even if the citizenship of her biological parents is not known.

    Article II of the UN convention states, “A foundling found in the territory of a Contracting State shall, in the absence of proof to the contrary, be considered to have been born within that territory of parents possessing the nationality of that State.”

    “So if you apply the UN Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness, she [Poe] is considered as a Filipino citizen, and she is a natural-born citizen,” Macalintal explained.
    He said Poe renounced her US citizenship when she ran for the Senate in 2013.

    “Even if you are a naturalized citizen of the US, the moment you renounce that, you automatically revert back to your natural-born Filipino citizen status under the dual citizenship act,” he further explained.

    Macalintal  cited the Supreme Court decision on the case of Antonio Bengson 3rd vs. Teodoro Cruz, wherein the court upheld the Filipino citizenship of the latter.

    Cruz, a Filipino, took an oath of allegiance to the US when he joined the US Marine Corps but, when he returned to the Philippines years later, he applied for Filipino citizenship. He ran and won as district Representative of Pangasinan in 1998.

    Bengson claimed that Cruz is not a natural-born citizen.

    But the High Court ruled that Cruz regained his status as a natural-born citizen the moment he reacquired his Filipino citizenship through repatriation.

    “So I don’t think there is any issue against Poe about her citizenship, she is qualified to run not only as natural-born citizen but as a competent Filipino citizen” Macalintal said.
    Sen. Aquilino Pimentel 3rd agreed.

    “She has been found to be qualified to be senator and the citizenship requirement for senator is the same for the President,” Pimentel, who heads the Senate Committee on Electoral Reforms and People’s Participation, said.

    Poe said she was saddened by efforts to make an issue of her citizenship.

    “I have always been honest about the circumstances of my birth,” Poe said in a text message.

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    1. Who cares? The Philippines is a nation of immigrants — so many Filipinos are immigrants abroad. So many of our families have dual citizens within them. Are they disloyal to the Philippines? A traitor to the country? This is a non-issue.

    2. In the same article , a Philippines Immigration says , ” Most likely she is a dual citizen because she has also departure and arrival records using her Philippine passport. But lately she has been using her Philippine passport in almost all her travels abroad,” a reliable source at the Immigration bureau told The Manila Times.
      There’s a Supreme Court Case that will answer any questions , how a dual citizen is dealt with if they try to run for Philippines Elective Office from the barangay to the national level. On August 10, 2012, the Supreme involving VICE MAYOR TEODORA SOBEJANA-CONDON OF CABA, LA UNION v. COMMISSION ON ELECTIONS, LUIS M. BAUTISTA, ROBELITO V. PICAR and WILMA P. PAGADUAN. Decision was : Failure to renounce foreign citizenship in accordance with the exact tenor of Section 5(2) of Republic Act (R.A.) No. 9225 renders a dual citizen ineligible to run for and thus hold any elective public office.
      To quiet any detractors, Senator Poe will need to show properly notarized document that she renounced her U.S. Citizenship. From the decision , ” The petitions similarly sought the petitioner’s disqualification from holding her elective post on the ground that she is a dual citizen and that she failed to execute a “personal and sworn renunciation of any and all foreign citizenship before any public officer authorized to administer an oath” as imposed by Section 5(2) of R.A. No. 9225. ” This individual failed to comply with RA 9225’s requirements.

      • Palagay ko ang matinding issue hindi citizenship kundi parenthood. DNA muna sila ni Bongbong bago magpatuloy. Baka inaalis natin ang magnanakaw pinapalitan natin ng isang dugong mangungulimbat din? Anong say Nyo?

    3. Once you hold any foreign office, you automatically lost your US citizenship, in this case with her.She served as a senator, barrio captain or what not of the Philippines, that’s by default you have no allegiance to the United States Government that is why she used the Philippines passport to all her trips abroad. Therefore she’s now be considered as a Filipino citizen.

    4. I still wonder why the likes of sen. Gordon was beaten badly by grace and bam in the last sen. election. Will smartmatic pcos machines will again pick our leaders in 2016? Or we simply are bobo in picking the right man to lead us.

    5. Another weak President. We need a President with a very strong character that have a political will to destroy feudalism, dynasty and make our military strong against CHINA. Not a weakling president like pinoy.

      • Tama ka, dapat talaga si Trillanes. Pinili ni PeNoy si Poe na pareho niyang mahina at walang alam dahil mayroon silang ugnayan na i-papardon pag nabilanggo sa dami ng katiwalian niya. Si PeNoy at si Susmaryosep parehong nangurakot sa pera ng bayan. Ang kaibahan nga lang si Binay binulsa niya, si PNoy pinangsuhol niya sa paraang unconstitutional, hatol ng Supreme Court.

    6. Another OJT president in the making? What happened to what she use to say that she is not yet prepared for presidency. Whether she is an american or Filipino, the question is what is she capable of doing specially with regards our economy, foreign affairs specially our territorial disputes with China, our problem with the BBL, peace and order, lack of employment the worsening corruption in government and many more problems which our country is facing today. Kaya ba nya? May napakita na ba sya na kakayahan? Her name is unblemished and she is popular but can we afford to have another OJT president again?

    7. This is an issue that is too easy to resolve. As far as I know from the news, Sen. Poe has already renounced her US Citizenship during the senatorial elections. Are the binay attack dogs out of ammo?

    8. I admire Senator Grace Poe but it appears she has fallen to the tongue trap of the President. She is even saying she would have to continue the reform made by the
      present administration…what reform is she talking about!!! After she went aboard the
      MRT and saw the problem, where there specific changes in the operation of same?
      Senator Poe should move outside President Aquino’s box, She has her own strenght
      being a celebrity politician. People near her should give her the right advice….If she
      will continue like this, I predict that in a month or two the liberals will tell her she is just good for the position of VP after Sec. Roxas gain strength as he tours the country.
      It is much better that she becomes the VP of Binay so the Liberals will be given a run for their money. Or if she is really considering a run for the President then just be herself…throngs of people will vote for her in a three corner fight…resources wil never be an issue because nobody can stop her from wining. Because political donors are just in the corner listening….

    9. This is something that could so easily be sorted. But in the philippines everything is made complicated. Surely grace poe knows all these comments about her. Just get all your information out in the open & let people investigate it. If you are a true filipino then you have no worries if you arnt then you have. But at least have the decency to get it sorted so everyone knows the truth.

    10. SALVACION CAHAYAG on

      Between Poe and Binay. Better go to Poe who has no known corruption to date.
      The character of a person cannot be tainted by a question of citizenship alone. Rather
      the criteria where a person is fit to hold a public office is his honest, dignity and
      his/her performance. Is Poe’s performance satisfactory? Certainly yes. Did Binay
      took advantage of his office? Remember the overpricing case in Makati. Remember
      the four Binay’s in office. Wake up Philippines. Otherwise, the Philippines will no
      longer be the Republic of the Philippines but will become the Binay republic.
      Jejomar Binay, Nancy Binay, Abigail Binay and Jun Jun Binay. These Binays
      will soon control the government if fellow Filipinos does not wake up.

    11. By and far we have not yet seen her performance as a senator for her full 6 year term. We don’t know her background other than head of the MTRCB which is just a minor agency under the office of the president. She does not have the experience of handling a big organization like the BIR, COA, SSS, GSIS or BOC. I strongly urge the voting populace to set a high standards for the position of President including academic performance during her schooling. She’s not even a lawyer, a basic tool needed to interact with the two branches of gov’t. and also because she will be dealing a lot with politicians who will definitely influence her decisions to peddle their vested interests. We don’t have an idea of her stress tensile strength and annoyance tolerance level. Also it is imperative that a would be president would readily be subject to a thorough and rigid mental and physical tests and any small discrepancy to standards should automatically disqualify him outright. We don’t want history to repeat itself…

      • history will repeat itself IF everything you said is the qualification… remember, GMA is an economic professor, a vp etc etc… you want a LAwyer ? look at Marcos…and besides, Poe is not like Estrada..education-wise..just research it where she studied…. as to Bnay ? forget him,,,, he is the WORST of ALL…. a combination of marcos/Estrada and GMA in ONE… that’s Binay!! i would rather vote for YOU than Binay!!

    12. apolonio reyes on

      BTW, SEN. POE, IF YOU JUST RENOUNCED YOUR US CITIZENSHIP AFTER YOU WON A SEAT IN THE SENATE, IT IS UNFAIR NOT ONLY TO VP BINAY, BUT ALSO TO ALL CANDIDATES WHO NEVER LEAVE THE COUNTRY THRU THICK AND THIN AND NEVER DENOUNCED THEIR FILIPINO CITIZENSHIP. THEY ARE THE REAL FILIPINO WHO LOVE THEIR COUNTRY AND NOT BY CONVENIENT, DI BA SEN. POE?.

      • Hmmm…So our valiant OFWs are lesser Filipinos because they left the Philippines to seek a brighter future abroad? Don’t you know that all their efforts abroad are also for their family in the Philippines and their foreign currency remittances boost our economy and foreign currency reserve bigtime? You did not think through very wisely your comment.

        Again, Sen. Grace Poe IS A NATURAL-BORN FILIPINO. She was born as a Filipino. You can go interview a lawyer or whoever is competent regarding the issue of citizenship and I assure you that they will tell you without a doubt that Sen. Grace Poe is a natural-born Filipino. For your information – a Natural-Born Filipino WILL ALWAYS BE A NATURAL-BORN FILIPINO even if (for example) at some point he/she becomes us citizen or chinese citizen or european citizen as long as he/she reacquires his/her Filipino citizenship, he/she is deemed to his/her status as a NATURAL-BORN FILIPINO.

    13. Grace POe was able to run as Senator in 2013, her citizenship was proven then. The same qualifications apply for Presidential position. The people behind this are just showing how lacking they are of things to attach Poe with. Sure go attack her being an orphan where she doesn’t know her true parentage. That will do it. Poe is the woman to beat now. Philippine politics really is showing.

      • Ms. Grace Poe – Llamanzares was born in the US of Filipino parents. That she was an orphan born in Iloilo City is a big lie according to a good friend who used to work at the Philippine embassy in Washington. She grew up in America, studied and worked there for most of her life is a fact. These makes me wonder why if indeed Susan and Fernando Poe adopted her as their own yet kept her in America. In a recent interview with Imee Marcos she denied that she and Grace are sisters and rightly they are not. But can Bongbong say the same thing of Grace with evidence to back it up? Another friend from media intelligence said that Grace is the daughter of Rosemarie Sonora, Susan’s sister, and that Grace’s name appears as a beneficiary of one of FM’s foundations and likewise would inherit a mining company in South America under the name Sonora Mines.

        The issue with Grace from the very start and not only now is whether or not she is a Marcos which she continuously denies to the extent of spinning stories that may not be easy to validate. The issue is whether or not she is willing to make the denial final by simply submitting herself to a DNA test together with Bongbong or from a DNA sample of FM himself. These are not the issues that bother us.

        What is bothersome is the fact that Grace Poe- Llamanzares is claiming that she loves this country when all her life prior to the death of Fernando Poe she was in America and serving the Americans and living the American dream. What is terribly bothersome is the fact that in all the political upheavals that required the sacrifices of our people she was nowhere to be found. What is most bothersome is the fact that she was not the No.1 “winner” in 2013 but Smartmatic being a CIA election front operative made her so with perhaps that strategic interest that she would fulfill the rest of what America wants to do this side of the world. Will she be a grace to this nation or another disgrace much like Noynoy Aquino? The answer lies on whether or not we will again allow ourselves to be “idiots” of the conscious kind.

    14. Let us clarify this now….ROXAS for President, and GRACE POE for vice-president.Let her learn the ropes first. ROXAS WILL WIN against Binay. Where will Binay get his
      votes? Maybe just in Makati. ROXAS IS HONEST, LOVES PEOPLE, HARD WORKER,
      WILL ADOPT PNOYS MATUWID NA DAAN.

    15. Claro Apolinar on

      The more Grace Poe is attacked for not being a Filipino but an American, the more the masses of Filipinos will vote for her.
      This because our sad and pitiful people have lost their love for our country and would mostly rejoice if they could all miraculously wake up one day as American citizens.
      Because of this–and the presence of such prelates as Cardinal Tagle and Fr. Joel Tabora. who is now a Manila Times columnist, in our midst–Almighty God must have decided that the Filipinos and their country do not deserve to exist!
      That is why bribed by Aquino Congress will pass the BBL Bill, which will cause a civil war in Mindanao, cause also the fragmentation of the Philippines and the takeover of Mindanao by Malaysia with the support of the Western Powers.
      Weep my fellow Filipinos who still have hearts who love the nation of Jose Rizal, Gregorio del PIlar, Andres Bonifacio, Francisco Balagtas, Vicente Sotto, Lorenzo Ruiz, Pedro Calungsod, Isabelo de los Reyes, Claro M. Recto, Jose Diokno, Raul Manglapus, Benito Legarda, Pedro Bukaneg, Jose Palma, Fernando Ma. Guerrero, Nick Joaquin, Frankie Sionil Jose, Emilio Aguilar Cruz, Alejandro R “Anding” Roces, Joaquin “Chino” Roces, Joaquin “Titong” Roces, Diosdado Macapagal, Leon Kilat, and so many others I cannot name now who really loved our country from my Bicol region, Cebu, Bohol, Samar, Leyte and the provinces of Mindanao.
      Weep fellow Filipinos for our country is doomed to extinction under BS Aquino and the Archbishop Cardinal of Manila Luis Antonio Tagle.,.

    16. and the smear campaign starts. The fact that she ran and won a seat in the senate negates any arguments about her citizenship. The qualifications for a senator and president is roughly the same otherwise comelec would have not allowed her to run.

      REPLY:
      But the Comelec under Brillantes has been a crooked institution. It imposed the fraudulent Smartmatic AES PCOS machine system and destroyed our elecoral democracy. So hw can you use the crooked Comelec’s decision on allowing her to run for the Senate as the basis for declaring her qualified? Illogical!

    17. Antonio kho on

      They have no issue against Sen. Poe. Her detractors will look for one, and her citizenship is the one.

    18. William dungo on

      Philippine law signed by Preident Gloria Arroyo and Senator Drillon approved by Senate and House of Representatives require that Filipino dual citizen to another country must must denounce his citizenship on another country. She/He must only accept one citizenship that is Philippines citizenship. If grace Poe did not denounce or revoked her U.S. Citizenship when run for senafor, then she is an illigimate senator and must vacant her seat at the senate. Seven years ago I research this and I found that this must be done if you want to run for government official in the phillipines “DENOUNCE your FOREIGN CITiZENSHIP if are dual citizenship to another country.

      • apolonio reyes on

        YES WILLIAM, I AGREE THAT NOT ONLY THOSE WHO RUN FOR OFFICE BUT ALSO THOSE WHO ARE APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT IN PUBLIC OFFICE WHO ARE DUAL CITIZEN SHOULD RENOUNCE THEIR OTHER CITIZEBSHIP IN A COURT OR IMMIGRATION COMMISIONER BEFORE THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO RUN.
        MANY RUN FIRST AND AFTER THEY WIN THATS THE ONLY TIME THEY RENOUNCE THEIR OTHER CITIZENSHIP OR WHAT I CALL CITIZENSHIP BY CONVENIENT.
        SEN. GRACE POE, WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU ARE HONEST, BUT WHICH IS WHICH ARE YOU? DID YOU AND YOUR FAMILY RENOUNCED YOUR US CITIZENSHIP WHEN YOU WERE APPOINTED CHAIR OF MTRCB OR AFTER YOU WON IN THE 2013 SENATORIAL ELECTION? THIS WILL DETERMINE YOUR LOYALTY TO THE PHILIPPINES, DI BA MOM POE?

      • I don’t want to sound like the language police, but the word is to renounce one’s citizenship and not denounce. Everything is ok!

    19. sonny dela cruz on

      The author forgot to mentioned the United States law on Naturalization of a person granted to be an American citizen cannot RUN & HOLD GOVERNMENT POSITION IN ANY COUNTRY EXCEPT THE UNITED STATES. HE/SHE LOST the American citizenship automatically. The author may verify it with the U.S. Embassy if the law say so.

    20. Migs Doromal on

      The 2016 presidential elections will be a simple choice. It boils down to WHO the voters badly WANT the persons listed hereunder be prosecuted and sent to jail.

      1. BS Aquino
      2. Frank Drilon
      3. Butch Abad
      4. and possibly Mar Roxas and other LP involved in the PDAF and DAP Scandals.

      OR

      5. Jejomar Binay and other members of the Binay family.

      If Grace Poe is the LP prez bet and should she wins the election, then the Binays including Jejomar Binay will definitely serve time.

      On the other hand, if Jejomar Binay wins it, then the LIBERAL PLUNDERERS (LP) BS Aquino et al will replace the VIPS presently incarcerated at the PNP Custodial Center – JPE et al.

      This scenario is only feasible IF Jojobama SEVERE his ties with BS Aquino.

      Your move, Rambotito.

    21. Vergel fidel on

      Very well said……..not an issue since she has dual citizenship…….how she acquired iher us citizenship is irrelevant as the us immigration should have her requirements which are very stringent unquestinably legitimate. She also could have citizenship not thru parents but thru her husband……..go go girl ……..just run and we shall all vote for a trustworthy and untainted young woman, run in tandem with Hillary ……

    22. I Remember... on

      Bring a Clerk to Presidency…yah!!! After the housewife and the abnoy, what a great President she will be! The Yellows will laugh to the bank….